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James Wang's avatar

Welcome back, and look forward to the backlog!

I enjoyed this article, and I agree. Though I also see a lot of knee-jerk reactions in my circle about “surveillance state,” that resistance has been weakening alongside the frustration over lawless roads.

Oakland recently did approve some of those cameras, so hopefully that’s moving in the right direction.

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I think I've come to a similar conclusion about common drivers of police and civilian violence. Where we might differ is you seem to be placing most of the blame on guns whereas I would assign some blame to guns but more to culture or behavior, because the correlation between gun ownership and violence is ultimately not as strong as you might think, see for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent_of_households_with_guns_by_country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership#/media/File:Map._Percent_of_households_with_guns_by_US_state_in_2016._RAND_Corporation.svg

And compare any of those to homicide rates. You might find some relationship, but again, not a very strong one. There are clearly other factors than guns alone. Fwiw the UK is almost unique in Europe in its limitations on gun ownership.

But back to common drivers, I reached that conclusion by simply plotting the two in a scatterplot, by state, county, nation and demographics. I've never seen anyone else make this simple comparison:

https://theusaindata.pythonanywhere.com/police_killings

The ratio of civilian killings to police killings in the united states is about 20:1, which is not too far out of line with the rest of the world, and might be distorted a little because in recent years we've begun all sorts of deaths related to policing (traffic accidents, heart attacks in custody, etc...) in our police killing numbers but I'm not so sure the rest of the world counts like that.

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